však preto som upresnil, že sa bavíme iba o špekulácii, všetko je ešte vo hviezdach.., ale prítomnosť skautov NJ na našich posledných zápasoch nám k takýmto špekuláciam troška dopomohli...Bluesfan píše:Ja sa do tejto debaty pre istotu nezapojím. Len poviem svoj názor. Medzi STL a NJD nenastane podľa mňa žiadna výmena
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Máme i vlastný discord server: https://discord.gg/fgWjDdg2rE?
NEW JERSEY DEVILS
Diskuze o jednotlivých týmech nejkvalitnější hokejové ligy na světě.
DISCLAIMER: New Jersey v budúcej sezóne NEbude mať problémy s tzv. PLATOVÝM STROPOMBluesfan píše:Getzo neviem proste si myslím, že je to nereálne. Aj keď ako povedal Ivan obránca by sa Vám hodil a kvôli Kovymu možno hrozia aj problémy s platovým stropom ale jednoducho mi to nijak nesedí. Dnes NJD nepotrebuje neprevereného mladého obráncu.
Na webe by sa už mali prestať šíriť tieto bullshity, začína ma to slušne povedané rozladzovať.
Áno, obranu potrebujeme riešiť, ale toto nie je problém salary cap. Amen.
Ako spomenul Ivan Davidson sa vyziva v tradeoch ktore su pre nas uspechom (pri Halakovi si myslim ze ovela vacsim prinosom ako pre MTL, ale nechcem predbiehat, je to Ellerova prva sezona v NHL). Ale aj podla Armyho vyjadreni je jasne z pokial pride k tradeu, bude to trade ktory bude premysleny, ziadne platanie dier v utoku narychlo...
Mne osobne skor prichadza do uvahy trade STL - EDM (tiez mam od Ivana
). Logicky, mlady obranca za mladeho utocnika by bolo uplne super, napr taky Paajarvi
Len je otazne ci by sa nam neico take podarilo dohodnut.
Co sa tyka Zajaca, tiez to nevidim prilis realne, pretoze Army riesi dilemu...Nemoze pustit skuseneho obrancu, pretoez nevie ako to pojde mladikom bez skusenosti. Jedna vec. Druha, ak by sme naozaj chceli Zajaca, museli by sme toho pustit viac, a myslim ze takto nebudu rozbijat koncepciu timu. Ale berte to ako moj osobny nazor.
Mne osobne skor prichadza do uvahy trade STL - EDM (tiez mam od Ivana
Co sa tyka Zajaca, tiez to nevidim prilis realne, pretoze Army riesi dilemu...Nemoze pustit skuseneho obrancu, pretoez nevie ako to pojde mladikom bez skusenosti. Jedna vec. Druha, ak by sme naozaj chceli Zajaca, museli by sme toho pustit viac, a myslim ze takto nebudu rozbijat koncepciu timu. Ale berte to ako moj osobny nazor.
Ok, máme to za sebou,
Každý k svojmu.
EDIT: pridávam názor, pre toho, kto má záujem poznať čo nepozná, alebo poznať nechce...
EDIT: pridávam názor, pre toho, kto má záujem poznať čo nepozná, alebo poznať nechce...
i thought i would post a recap of the kovalchuk situation for those without the time to read back through all these pages of ridiculousness. both sides are presented in a fair and balanced manner- kind of like fox news.
ilya kovalchuk is a very good hockey player. he is not having a very good start to the season. the other hockey players who play for the devils are not having a very good season either. however, kovalchuk makes more money than other players, so expectations are higher.kovalchuk has not lived up to these expectations yet. However, it is important to note that he is in year one of a 15 year contract. It is also important to note that Kovalchuk has scored more goals than anyone during the lockout. He is a very skilled offensive-minded player with a very good slap shot. On more than one occasion, though, he has whiffed on a shot, contributing to a loss. the devils fans at hockey's future (all being former hall of famers themselves, with a long resume full of hockey experience and general overall intelligence) have tried to explain why kovalchuk's not fitting in well with the team, and what he could be doing better. Hopefully, Mr. and Mrs. Devils pay attention to these posts and explain it to their professional ice hockey teams players.
one could ask why the devils offered kovalchuk such a long contract for such an unreasonable cap hit of 6.66 million dollars. speculation is that jeff vanderbeek coerced lou into signing this contract. The rumors are that Jeff thought that he would invest $100 million dollars into one player in order to add some pizazz to this hockey team. Playoff failures for 5+ years did not factor into this decision. crude scribblings in jeff's office tell the true story...the following is a duplication of jeff's marketing plan-
1) Get Kovalchuk in order to sell a few thousand seats more per game at the low cost of $100 million dollars.
2) Park a dilapidated army vehicle outside the arena.
3) Sit back and watch the profits roll in.
The other factor that must be considered when talking about Ilya Kovalchuk is his coach. John MacLean has not been able to utilize Kovalchuk the correct way. Under every other coach in his career, we see numbers of a superstar. only now are we seeing him falter, along with a number of other veterans, under John MacLean. Is this John MacLean's fault? Lets delve deeper into his skin-globe to see whether he is to blame.
Mac had much success in Lowell/Albany, and many felt his offensive style would be the perfect compliment to the newest member of the Devils family (kovalchuk, not the army vehicle). however, the teams early struggles in the preseason would be foreshadowing for a long year. Aside from 10 minutes of the season opener, maclean's devils would score only 50 goals through their first 27 games. to put that in perspective, the last place islanders- losers of 14 straigh games- have 3 more goals than new jersey...despite having played in 2 fewer games! does maclean deserve some blame? perhaps. more blame than kovalchuk, one of the many players underachieving this year? most certainly not, some would have you believe.
lastly, we come to the defense. after GM lou made a 5 year, $60 million contract offer to paul martin on July 1st, many thought he would re-sign. however martin, whose season was cut short by injuries, chose instead to take a pay cut with the penguins. when asked why, paul martin told chico resch this:
"I was never going to sign in Jersey. Lou completely botched my surgery. He said he had done it before on some neighborhood cats, and went on and on about how cats and humans were the 2 most similar animals on the planet. They didn't have biology in the Elf community where I grew up- I just assumed he was right. Now that I think about it, I heard him ask Albelin (who was assisting him on the table) 'Where's his tail?' just before I went under. No, no, nothing adds up at all! I'm startig to think we have nothing in common with cats!"
And away he went, lapping milk from his saucer. 2 defensemen were brought in to ease the pain of his departure- one good, one bad. In the end, Kovalchuk asked Lou not to negotiate with Martin until his contract was complete. Martin, unable to meet those demands, chose to walk.
Lastly, we have leadership. Jamie Langenbrunner, team captain, has added a negative, cancer-like effect to our locker room ever since his tiff with Lemaire. In the end, Langenbrunner won as Lemaire 'stepped down'. The success of Kovalchuk under Lemaire (or lack thereof, depending on your delusional tendencies) would not be replicated when MacLean took over (see above). Reports coming out now suggest locker room troubles- cliques, disorder, and jealousy- essentialy what you would find in any middle school homeroom class. Is Kovalchuk to blame for this? As the $100 million dollar man, yes. I'm sure that Elias looks at his millions, and wants a little bit more. It's human nature. Is Kovalchuk to blame for getting $100 million dollars? um...yes? he..forced lou to. um, he really wanted a speedboat..no he..ah i cant do this anymore. yes, he is to blame, ok?
Could Kovalchuk really be the cause of all the above? Could it instead be a multitude of reasons, things that were set in motion long before Kovalchuk sadi 'ca-ching'? Which is more logical? Did I really just waste an hour of company time writing on a hockey board? Yes, No, I don't know, Hell Yes.
So, there we have it. Is Kovalchuk the true reason why the Devils have had such a poor start to the season, as this thread would make you believe?
As I said, I tried to incorporate everyone's views into this summary, whether I believe them or not.
Gionta a Magnan waived. Call-up expected soon. Salmela probably not ready yet, Taormina isn`t skating as well as we don`t knwo anything relevant about Josefson. No rush.
Lou bol na NHL live v telefonickom spojení. De facto nepovedal nič čo by som nečakal, ale zachoval si absolútny kľud. Skôr vyznel ako nevedomý a nemohúci (čo ma optimizmom nenaplňuje). Každopádne takmer hodinu nemohol byť ON, takže je dosť možné, že na nejakom trejde predsalen pracuje, akurát o tom ako obvykle starý lišiak nič netrúbi do sveta. Uvidíme, dúfame.
Lou bol na NHL live v telefonickom spojení. De facto nepovedal nič čo by som nečakal, ale zachoval si absolútny kľud. Skôr vyznel ako nevedomý a nemohúci (čo ma optimizmom nenaplňuje). Každopádne takmer hodinu nemohol byť ON, takže je dosť možné, že na nejakom trejde predsalen pracuje, akurát o tom ako obvykle starý lišiak nič netrúbi do sveta. Uvidíme, dúfame.
Marty s novými betónmi konečne nevyzerá ako spred štvrťstoročia
Škoda prehry. Ku Clarksonovmu neuznanému gólu na 3-3 len jeden komentár:
Je to tak. O tejto hodine ani nepracujem mozgom natoľko, aby som to rozlíšil, ale žiaden kicking motion tam nebol. On je len tak nešikovný, že presne ako šiel do brány, tak ten puk korčuľou trafil. Ak to je dôvod na neuznanie gólu, tak by liga mala odškodniť rôzne tímy miliónmi za to, čo všetko už pouznávali...
Ráno možno múdrejšia večera, uvidím.
A opäť fantastický Tedenby s 8min TOI. Po tom, čo ho ešte aj v prestávkovom videu MacLean chváli treba skonštatovať jediné. MacLean ty si k*kot na n-tú, nemám slov...
(bonus - Fayne na blueline pri empty net...ten chlap nemá v NHL čo robiť, to nie je coach)
Pridávam video k spornej situácii, posúďte sami:
Škoda prehry. Ku Clarksonovmu neuznanému gólu na 3-3 len jeden komentár:
-I don't think Clarkson is coordinated enough to kick at a puck without killing himself.
-He was called for a dive in a game too where he clearly fell cuz he sucks at skating![]()
A opäť fantastický Tedenby s 8min TOI. Po tom, čo ho ešte aj v prestávkovom videu MacLean chváli treba skonštatovať jediné. MacLean ty si k*kot na n-tú, nemám slov...
Pridávam video k spornej situácii, posúďte sami:
asi na to az dojde JVBmu trpelivost a poleti LL i s JMacam. Myslim, ze uz neni treba vyhazovat trenera, sezona je stejne ztracena. Navic se zda ze zacinaji pracovat PP i PK, ted jen doladit 5 na 5 a jeste treba udelame desate misto a tim se pripravime bud o Coutura, nebo jak se jmenuje nebo o Larssona.Martin #27 píše:Ještě že jsem to včera zase neviděl. Zase dostat 2 goly během prvních 2 minut?? ku*va já furt nevím na co Lou čeká
1. Nepreháňaj ani s nadsázkou.megaton píše:asi na to az dojde JVBmu trpelivost a poleti LL i s JMacam. Myslim, ze uz neni treba vyhazovat trenera, sezona je stejne ztracena. Navic se zda ze zacinaji pracovat PP i PK, ted jen doladit 5 na 5 a jeste treba udelame desate misto a tim se pripravime bud o Coutura, nebo jak se jmenuje nebo o Larssona.Podle me je treba zacit presvedcovat vsechny okolo, ze tym mame na ho*no ale jednotlivci jsou super a ze je urcite muzou poridit velmi levne, treba za svoje 1st picky
2. Couturier
3. Moja reč...
tak ja bych se nedivil kdyby Lou koncil. Vek na to ma, uspechy ma taky, navic v Post lock-out ere se mu nedari a udajne neni spokojen ani JVB. Mozna by se tam libilo Stevensovi, co ja vim. Zda se ze nekteri byvali hraci jsou velice schopni GM.
Jinak jsem ted nasel odvahu podivat se na sestrih a musim rict ze ti vasi oblibenci Fayne a Corrente teda nic moc a co tak ctu tak zaznam jen podtrhuje to si myslim uz delsi dobu. Ani jeden nevypada na NHL ready. A jeste neco co jsem nevypozoroval. Proc ma Volch virazne mene icetimu nez Talli, Greene
a White?
Jinak jsem ted nasel odvahu podivat se na sestrih a musim rict ze ti vasi oblibenci Fayne a Corrente teda nic moc a co tak ctu tak zaznam jen podtrhuje to si myslim uz delsi dobu. Ani jeden nevypada na NHL ready. A jeste neco co jsem nevypozoroval. Proc ma Volch virazne mene icetimu nez Talli, Greene
Akí zase obľúbenci, ježiši.megaton píše:tak ja bych se nedivil kdyby Lou koncil. Vek na to ma, uspechy ma taky, navic v Post lock-out ere se mu nedari a udajne neni spokojen ani JVB. Mozna by se tam libilo Stevensovi, co ja vim. Zda se ze nekteri byvali hraci jsou velice schopni GM.
Jinak jsem ted nasel odvahu podivat se na sestrih a musim rict ze ti vasi oblibenci Fayne a Corrente teda nic moc a co tak ctu tak zaznam jen podtrhuje to si myslim uz delsi dobu. Ani jeden nevypada na NHL ready. A jeste neco co jsem nevypozoroval. Proc ma Volch virazne mene icetimu nez Talli, Greenea White?
Čo sa týka Loua, to si nemyslím, i keď stať sa to môže. O tom ale, že by Stevens mal zastávať viac úlohy v manažmente ako v usmerňovaní tímu priamo ja zatiaľ (a možno nikdy) nechcem ani počuť.
tak jedinej upragade je ze je/ma byt, ofenzivni. jeho AHL stats jsou tipicke pro letosni devils ted dva zapasi minus 3a zadne body. Mas urcite pravdu ze horsi, nez je to ted, to uz byt nemuze. Jinymi slovy - za pokus to stoji. Necekam vsak zazrakyGetzo5 píše:Injury report: Na stredu sa nám vracia spasiteľ Anssi Salmela.Zhodneme sa asi aspoň na tom, že jediný ofenzívny bek v tíme (
) je rozhodne upgrade toho čo je vonku teraz...
Getzo5 píše:Povolaný Harry Young a Dan Kelly ( :ja_neviem: ) :
ku*va co to jako zase je??? to pak teda chcu vidět složení obrany
Salmela trenoval s Volchenkovem ( tohle spojení je asi jediný tah co mi v poslední době u nás dává smysl )
Už mám nové správy, obaja späť do Albany, hore ide Sestito (iba). Máš pravdu, to je nehorázny bordel.Martin #27 píše:ku*va co to jako zase je??? to pak teda chcu vidět složení obranyGetzo5 píše:Povolaný Harry Young a Dan Kelly ( :ja_neviem: )co se u nás děje to je jak v nějakem bordelu
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Salmela trenoval s Volchenkovem ( tohle spojení je asi jediný tah co mi v poslední době u nás dává smysl )
Edit: myslím, že ty a neis máte v reakciách bordel ešte väčší.
ku*va co to jako zase je??? to pak teda chcu vidět složení obranyMartin #27 píše:Getzo5 píše:Povolaný Harry Young a Dan Kelly ( :ja_neviem: ) :
Salmela trenoval s Volchenkovem ( tohle spojení je asi jediný tah co mi v poslední době u nás dává smysl )[/quote]
Tak co Martinku už si zvykáš na novou roli Devils ?:D
ps. Mi to fakt nedalo :frajer2:
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